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Cesar de la Cruz is perhaps The Score's most popular guest, and for good reason. In our first podcast interview from 2019 with the nine-time NFR heeler, de la Cruz opened up about his upbringing on the rough side of Tucson and how it shaped the roper and man he is today. This time around, The Score's Chelsea Shaffer catches up with de la Cruz as he decides to go home after a brutal 2020 season, mired with cancelations and long drives between rodeos.

de la Cruz is shifting to teaching roping lessons and making great horses, and he's regrouping for 2021. In the process, he's reflecting on the horse-making process and how he's grown and changed since the early years of his career.

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